THOSE MARTIN GIRLS

[SPECTRE]

Thought you guys and gals might enjoy someone else's perspective on the Martin Ads of late.

It's been much debated here...... and sides have been drawn in the past over the Martin Ads.

This is in the Feb. Issue of Bowhunting World magazine. Page 6. From the editor Mike Stradlund

THOSE MARTIN GIRLS

The inquiries I get from readers typically deal with one among three basic issues, and my answers are pretty pat.
"What's the best bow?" ("Sorry, there is no such thing.")
"Where's my magazine?" ("Sorry, let me connect you to circulation.")
"I've got a problem with something in your last issue." ("Sorry.")

In the last year I've been answering a new question more than all others put together. I've honestly gotten more feedback from this than any topic in my 14 years with this magazine.

"Why do you run those ads with disgusting pictures of naked women?"

Yes, some actually put it to me that way and my response is, "I may agree with you to a point but, sorry, I think they have a right to run those ads."

I'm referring of course to the Martin Archery Ad campaign that seems to have captured everyone's attention in one way or another. To me, the young ladies who form the central theme seem wholesome, happy and healthy enough; they certainly seem to be getting all their vitamins and maybe supplements in some cases. To me they seem just typical American females normal but for their particular penchant for Martin bows.

Sure, it's an unusual advertising approach in a bowhunting magazine, and that's where I agree with the complainants. I was personally more impressed with some of Martin's ads in their recent past. I would like to think that Martin could sell more bows with those ads about patriarch Gail Martin's history and family bent, or those hailing the achievements of of their bows in the field or on the target range in the hands of Martin's own awesome bowman George Ryals.

The thing is, they can't.

"We've been in business 50 years and people were thinking of us as an older, conservative company," said president Terry Martin. "We got this idea of a way to show we are young and aggressive, and boom , that took care of it. Our bow sales are up about 25% since we changed our ads."

Most people realize that in the business that's the bottom line. Others think it's not worth the cost they perceive.

"You don't know what it's like to have your own children see those ads...."

"Sorry, I do." My son Brad, at 15, naturally turns that page a little slower than most. My daughter Sara, 10, instinctively scans for fashion tips and thinks it's cool to see a girl shooting a bow for a change. I can't get too concerned, knowing they have been exposed to much more dubious things searching for Sponge Bob Square Pants on satellite TV, and on every trip to the mall.

We find the ads comparatively innocent, though Brad would rather see pictures of really big elk, he says. More generally, we try to minimize taking such things too seriously and maximize our tolerance of other people's ways of doing things and opinions. To that end, we will always welcome yours.

Terry Marin's own stepdaughter Kate is a favorite subject in Martin's recent ad campaign. Kate's mom Donna took the photo.





I found this to be a very interesting perspective from someone in the publishing industry. I thought the article was well written and covers the topic very well.

It proves that whether we as archers agree with the ad campaign or not, it has indeed brought success to Martin.

Personally, I think the latest pics posted by GRIV were in good taste and if that 15 year old would rather look at big elk....... well, I'd have a few questions......

Interesting perspective though. It would appear that us archers on these forums weren't the only ones complaining about the initial ads..... :shock:

[299]

When you make a second rate bow and can't keep employees, desperation makes you try anything to stay in business..

if they would treat employees better they would have an easier time of it...

[SPECTRE]

It would appear that there has been some crumbling within the Martin empire as of late.

Lots of the staff are no longer there and most of the pros have signed with other outfits..... The Wilde bunch most notably.......

I've not always been a fan of chicks with bows..... unless they ACTUALLY hunt and or compete.

Heck. I could name several women 3D shooters who deserve to be in archery mags. And it's for their talent as well as their looks.

I don't shy away from pretty girls (I tend to stay in trouble for that :shock:) but it's nice when they're genuine....

I do think it's odd that Martin is the only outfit using this technique......

Hoyt has their Vegas wins..... back to back.

Mathews has one every contest on the planet :rolleyes: :grin:

BowTech has...... well....... ME 8)

[skip]

299,
* *You might not agree with the advertisements for whatever reason. But I can guarantee you that their bows are not second rate. In our shop Martin has always been a solid bow and a great seller. *As far as the employee situation, I think that that is between Martin corporate and the employees.

Skip

[SPECTRE]

I agree Skip. You don't stay in business for 50 years by selling junk.

Our industry is way too competitive to offer second rate stuff.

[DonDeere]

...interesting article SPECTRE...

...I have a RAGE for hunting and love it, My Daughter has a Jaguar and although she no longer shoots it, very much enjoyed it while she did, my wife has 2 Cougar 2000's and LOVES each of them...

...my wife recently said something to me after seeing several of these advertisement's in magazines which are delivered to our home...

...she said simply: "Honey, I sure do like the 2 Martin bows I have, and I know you like your's, but I'm telling you right here and now, when it's time to get another bow...I DO NOT want another Martin bow if this is how they see fit to advertise their product"

...so in the future, because I respect my wife and her views about such things...and because SHE controls the checkbook :shock: ...they have lost at least one or two bow sales from my household due to these advertisements...

...but I'm positive they will survive without our Families future purchases...

[skip]

Monte,

I just want to live at least 50 years.... :)

[SPECTRE]

Well Skip.....

Heere's hoping that us vagrants don't shorten your life span too much :wink:

Deereman..... I know where you're coming from. While typing my post I had the magazine in my lap and got a strange look from my bride over the pic in the article. She didn't care much for it either.

Now if I could just put a bowtech in your hand instead of that TEC riser you're shooting..... :xeek:

What's it gonna take...... :kiss:

[DUBBYA ARE]

Martin Archery makes an AWESOME bow....and I have No problems with the ad's either PDT_Armataz_01_34

Which reminds me PDT_Armataz_01_03 DEERE & CK...you have MAIL PDT_Armataz_01_13 PDT_Armataz_01_29 PDT_Armataz_01_25...DUBBYA ARE

[pinshooter]

I had a Martin about 10 years ago and it was a good bow. If my dealer were to become a Martin dealer I wouldn't hesitate to shoot another one. As far as the ad I do think it is tasteless. However it is Terry's step daughter/ daughter whatever, and if they want to exploit her and she is ok with it, and obviously she is, then I guess it is their prerogative. The ad doesn't influence me to buy a Martin.

[SPECTRE]

However it is Terry's step daughter/ daughter whatever, and if they* want to exploit her and she is ok with it, and obviously she is,* then I guess it is their prerogative.

I think this is what many of the people on the archery sites have the biggest problem with. Not so much the ads in general but the story behind it.

But even that issue goes both ways. On one side you could say that Martin is exploiting family members for profits...... and on the other hand you could say that Ms. Robinson is merely doing her part to promote the family business......

Don't know if there is a right or wrong. I suppose that's up to the individual seeing the ad. I think everyone knows what I think. I tend to agree with pinshooter and DD on the issue but it's not my company so my opinion doesn't count much :wink:


So tell me....... what do y'all think of Motorcycles in archery ads..... :icon_cheesygrin:

[Steve hilliard]

good article Monte,
well I am not a fan of the ads but.......... look at the attention Martin has received from those ads. whether good or bad people are noticing. Now if only I could come up with a good marketing stragedy. Just for the record I am not a fan of the ads, I think Martin could have came up with a better attention grabber that was tasteful.

[OregonArcher]

well i dont really find them tasteless. you can flip on any daytime soap and see less clothes on the actresses there than what the martin girl has on. heck you can do that at any local mall now days. i do however think that they are outta place. kinda like t*ts on a bull. just dont fit lol. besides ive never had ANY ad convince me to buy any archery product. and these certainly wont convince me to buy one of their bows.

[dkoutdoors]

My first bow was a martin and I still like them today, I feel the ads do not degrade women in any way, heck it definately gets everyone's attention, my wife is o.k. with them, I bet it doesnt hurt Martin sales at all, they havent been in business for 50 years for no reason.

[rcher54]

If you don't like it, don't look at it ! First ammendment right! It our right given to us by the constitution. You may not agree with what you see or read, but it's that ammendment that gives you the right to say what ever you feel and we respect that as much as any other post! :-k

[mikieday]

i agree...if you find it bothersom...move on and dont torture yourself by reading or looking at it..i my self love the marketing genius of Martin..but they are not the first company to use sex as a seller..bear bow used it and some others..

Mikie

[ldfalks]

Fred Bear put an add in Playboy. *OK, you're supposed to see naked women in Playboy, but usually not holding bows. *:D

I spent a couple of hours in the McDonalds at our local Super Wal-Mart a couple of days ago waiting for Mrs. LD's tires to get put on her Buick. *Well, let's see...low rider, sprayed-on, skin-tight, streach blue jeans cut just low enough to proudly display the lower back Harley Tatoo but just high enough to cover the butt crack and low enough in front that there was a LOT of space between naval and pants line , and wearing a skin tight damn near see through white halter top...and probably not a day over 14 or 15. *A whole parade of girls walking in like that WITH their PARENTS!!!

If the boy was more interested in the ELK pics it's because he just came out of Wal-Mart and had seen far more skin than is in any of the Martin ads.

"HARLOT!!!* Get thee away from my HUSBAND!!! :x_evil:"* (Quote from Amish woman shouted to a scantily clad "booth girl" at 2004 ATA Show)

[canam]

This is from a Girl's Perspective....

I personally don't see what has everybody in such a tither over the ads. Unless I'm missing something more than what was put on AT at one time then I don't understand the point whatsoever. I see a few gorgeous girls showing their stomach while shooting a bow. Whoopee! I teach school so this doesn't frighten me at all. I don't see it as using "sex" as some folks have said to try to sell a bow. Like the editor stated "his kids thought the pics were cool". Using sex would have girls in bikinis or doing obscene things like Brittany Spears or some of those other "stars" do. I myself would probably be more incline to notice those bows also than to have some ugly dude in full camo kneeling in front of his latest "kill". Marketing strategies change and folks have a hard time accepting it. It's funny to watch those who scream the loudest over things that bother them; they are usually the ones who "study" these things in more detail than others. I personally think some folks need to grow up in reference to those ads and get a life.

Martin does make a great product. The ads may be a big part of their increased sales, but I know of other vices that have helped as well. I think the Internet has helped most bow companies because of exposure. Just my .02 worth.

Now, I'll play the devil's advocate.....I want a "hot" guy in a bare shirt sporting a bow in one of those ads for us gals.... :evil:

[SPECTRE]

Now, I'll play the devil's advocate.....I want a "hot" guy in a bare shirt sporting a bow in one of those ads for us gals....* :evil:


Come to Gainesville and watch me shoot then...... :xn_cheesygrin:

[rcher54]

Wasn't there and old Carly Simon song about that?? Just kidding! [-X O:)

[Buckster]

First.....I joke around about the martin ads and what in them but I could careless.......But Like Kim I wouldn't mind see some nice looking guys in ads barechested and such.....

Monte....Motorcycles in ads are about as stupid as bull riding sponsorships.......LOL


Dee........I bet ya it wasn't the same Amish man and women we saw at Alcatraz sipping some cold brew.....didn't know they were allowed to par take....... :police:

[ldfalks]

Dee........I bet ya it wasn't the same Amish man and women we saw at Alcatraz sipping some cold brew.....didn't know they were allowed to par take....... :police:


Probably not!!! :evil:

If Spectre takes his shirt off on the range in FL, I'm going home!!! 8) I'm exercising my right to put the peddle to the metal and not be in the same state with that PDT_Armataz_01_02

[CHAMPION2]

I do not see anything wrong with the Martin ads. *Martin makes a great bow, and a very aesthetically pleasing bow as well. * *The adds might even encourage more woman to get involved in archery. *Most females I have been around do not have a problem with it. *There is nothing wrong with the pics. *As far as scantly dressed, *give me a break! *Kids are wearing less to school and getting away with it. * I personally probably would not go with that advertisement approach, *but if it is working and the they are making a quality bow than I have no problem with it. *

Champion2
Full Draw Outdoors
Richwood/CSS

[SPECTRE]

If Spectre takes his shirt off on the range in FL, I'm going home!!! 8)* I'm exercising my right to put the peddle to the metal and not be in the same state with that* PDT_Armataz_01_02


What's the matter Dee......* not spent as much time as me on your bowflex????* *:grin:

Stylin' and profilin'* *:cool:

I gotta do something to tip the odds in my favor.... :rolleyes:




And Champion2...... that's a sweet avatar

[CHAMPION2]

Thanks Spectre! That is a painting by Wildlife artist Des McCaffrey. He does the Kill Zone series. I wish I had all the prints. He does awesome work.

Champion2
Full Draw Outdoors
Richwood/CSS

[SPECTRE]

Yep, I've seen the prints.

Looks like "your hunter" is a ground blind fan :wink:

[skip]

I bet ya it wasn't the same Amish man and women we saw at Alcatraz sipping some cold brew.....didn't know they were allowed to par take....... :police:

Yeah they can Drink... just can't drink and drive a car... gotta be a buggy :)

[pinshooter]

If Spectre takes his shirt off on the range in FL, I'm going home!!! 8) I'm exercising my right to put the peddle to the metal and not be in the same state with that PDT_Armataz_01_02


Talking about a record low turnout. :lol:

[DUBBYA ARE]

I bet ya it wasn't the same Amish man and women we saw at Alcatraz sipping some cold brew.....didn't know they were allowed to par take....... :police:

Yeah they can Drink... just can't drink and drive a car... gotta be a buggy :)


Some of the BIGGEST drunks I know of....They like to PARTY......WR

[brinirmess]

just because others have done and do it doesn't mean it is right. Just because other kids dress a certain way, doesn't mean we should allow our kids to do the same. I personally don't like the ads..but sex sells, it always has. I don't believe for one N.Y. minute that those ads will get more women in archery, and they vertainly aren't helping promote the idea of hunting and archery as a family sport by displaying their daughter in such a way. To each his own.....They have a right to sell their bows by whatever means they choose. I would not buy a bow because oftheir ads, and if any guy would do so, he's probally not that good of a shot anyway.

[SPECTRE]

Well, after reading some of the responses....... I'll throw another question in for the crew to ponder on.......


If you owned an archery company......... would you be willing to let your daughter be the model in the ads in question????

I've learned that it's not always the question..... but how the question is posed..... :shock:

I think my little girl is going to be a heartbreaker when she grows up...... and once she's 18 obviously she can do as she pleases, but I wouldn't encourage her to be in these ads at all......

Now if she was in jeans and a BowTech shooter shirt taking a shot at a 3D target (like the Mathews trading cards, etc.) that would be something to be proud of. That's the ad that I would love to see...... but then again...... I think it would be in context. :cool:

I thought of this today when listening to a talk radio show talking about the POW's in the war on terror. The question was "Do you believe torture should be allowed in extracting information?" Of course we would all say "NO".....

But let's say someone kidnapped one of your kids, you get a note saying that he or she would be dead in 24 hours....... the police are holding a suspect that they believe to be responsible for the kidnapping and know the whereabouts of your child...... and he's refusing to talk........

Now do you believe in torture????

It's all in how you ask the question......... :wink:

[ebutler79]

I dont believe in so much as torture in mutilating bodies and such but when you are fighting and enemy that dont go by the Geneva Conv. then you should have some leway in means of extracting info.

Why do you think we let Pakistan and Saudi interview insurgents that are caught there?

[SPECTRE]

I wasn't trying to start a pro - vs - anti torture debate but the discussion and the way the questions were posed got me thinking about what I would think of MY daughter in the Martin Ads...... :shock:

Especially putting the pics up for everyone to ogle on the websites and such.......

Like I said.... if the proper context was there then it'd be awesome. Maybe she'll get one of those big cardboard checks from Skip and LD one day. :D I'll be taking photos like a tourist..... :x_cool:

[pinshooter]

I don't have a daughter but if I did I would not want her in these ads. However I would not mind her neatly dressed in an archery ad. That would actually promote the sport of archery. It looks like Martin is promoting something else. :shock:

[Steve hilliard]

Monte I am with Pinshooter with the exception I do have a 7 y.o. little girl. I would not stand for posing in that fashion for a archery ad, not that Martins ads bother me but has nothing to do with this sport. I guess if I was a Martin shooter I would love the marketing (which I do) just not with my daughter. To each their own , but the ads haven't made me want to run out and buy a Martin.

[bowtech_babe]

I don't have feelings either way about the Martin ads....but no I would not put my daughter (thank goodness she's only 5 y/o)in them because there are weirdos out there and they don't have just shaking hands in mind :shocked: I'm sure that all was taken into consideration prior to the promotion.

Now....canam had an idea. I would LOVE to see a man with his 6 pack showing and bow in hand :evil: Maybe Spectre can give us a peek @ what bowtech has to offer......I mean the bow (cough cough :angel:) That's probably likely as I will be signing my own "trading cards" at the ATA show :lol:

One last thing....this is a :shocked:...2 weekends ago I was at Cabela's in Wheeling, WV and my attention was called to an amish couple shopping...wouldn't have been so bad if the man was not TALKING ON A CELL PHONE :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: Beat that true story; bowjunkie even seen it!

Samantha Smith

[Ivorytooth]

Let me get a sixpack from the local corner store and my bow and drive up to GRIVs for a picture. :D LOL! How many you think we will sell? :D :shock:

Does the 6 pack have to be full? :wink:

[rcher54]

You really don't want to see the 6 packs that have been consumed by this 290 lb old f@rt!* *:shocked: LOL

[BowTech_Shooter]

Monte....Motorcycles in ads are about as stupid as bull riding sponsorships.......LOL



Buckster,

Are you talking about this motorcycle?* 8)

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=45699&stc=1

[rcher54]

Doesn't that hairless guy in the backround look a little like one of our moderators? :xn_lol:

[BowTech_Shooter]

One last thing....this is a* :shocked:...2 weekends ago I was at Cabela's in Wheeling, WV and my attention was called to an amish couple shopping...wouldn't have been so bad if the man was not TALKING ON A CELL PHONE :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:* Beat that true story; bowjunkie even seen it!

Samantha Smith



Sam,

I see this quite often. As a matter of fact we have two Amish dealers in Ohio and they work off of cell phones. Last summer when I was in one shop they had a generator running to power their electric fans and the other shop I visited had a car battery hooked up to a power inverter to run their arrow cut off saw. (not sure how they charge the car battery). *:D They also have gas lighting in these shops too. Heck, I'm think plugging into an outlet would be much easier but hey, I'm not Amish either.

[rcher54]

How about hand crank computers? :xn_lol: :x_rolleyes:

[BowTech_Shooter]

How about hand crank computers? :xn_lol: :x_rolleyes:



I'll bet that's what Al Gore used when he invented the internet. :lol: :D

[rcher54]

Where was Bubba when he did that? :-k

[brinirmess]

I have 2 daughters, 18 & 16 and they both could pose for any magazine, but would they? No way.......that's exploitation, and I would NEVER use my child as a sex symbol to sell something. It tells alot about who you are, that you are willing to exploit your child for sales. I call it, as I see it. And I see it as wrong and degrading. It doesn't sell bows...it sells something else.

[ldfalks]

Monte....Motorcycles in ads are about as stupid as bull riding sponsorships.......LOL



Buckster,

Are you talking about this motorcycle?* 8)

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=45699&stc=1

Except for the goofy orange boots he looks just like any other archery pro out there, and the guys standing around are dressed like most 3-D amatuers at an ASA Pro/Am...right down to the collared shirts. :lol:

That's why I knew right off that it wasn't taken at an IBO event... :shock: :P ROTFL

By the look of the gloves I think it must be X-Cutter Tim riding that murdercycle PDT_Armataz_01_11

[Mrs Archer]

... I would LOVE to see a man with his 6 pack showing and bow in hand :evil:

Trust me, if there was a half-naked guy out there with a bow, I woulda found it.* :tongue:* *Not that I'd post it here* :angel: but you never know what it could come in handy.*

[Jerry]

... I would LOVE to see a man with his 6 pack showing and bow in hand :evil:

Trust me, if there was a half-naked guy out there with a bow, I woulda found it.* :tongue:* *Not that I'd post it here* :angel: but you never know what it could come in handy.*


I'lll never tell then :x_biggrin:

[Tejas Raz]

BowTech has...... well....... ME 8)

And a great job you're doing SPECTRE!

LOL! *Love it!

[Jerry]

I don't have feelings either way about the Martin ads....but no I would not put my daughter (thank goodness she's only 5 y/o)in them because there are weirdos out there and they don't have just shaking hands in mind :shocked: I'm sure that all was taken into consideration prior to the promotion.

Now....canam had an idea.* I would LOVE to see a man with his 6 pack showing and bow in hand :evil:* Maybe Spectre can give us a peek @ what bowtech has to offer......I mean the bow (cough cough* :angel:)* That's probably likely as I will be signing my own "trading cards" at the ATA show* :lol:

One last thing....this is a* :shocked:...2 weekends ago I was at Cabela's in Wheeling, WV and my attention was called to an amish couple shopping...wouldn't have been so bad if the man was not TALKING ON A CELL PHONE :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:* Beat that true story; bowjunkie even seen it!

Samantha Smith



What is the prize if I bare my chest and abs??? Oooops and hold a bow too :laugh:

[BowTech_Shooter]

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=45699&stc=1



Except for the goofy orange boots he looks just like any other archery pro out there, and the guys standing around are dressed like most 3-D amatuers at an ASA Pro/Am...right down to the collared shirts.* *:lol:



Do you mean to tell me they have to wear a helmet?* *:shock: :lol:* :D

[Buckster]

Dee.........Yep kinda like that.....LOL

My intentions were to get ol Montes' goat , ya know ......the motorcycle........going slower than *the arrow shot for the bowtech.......Thats all slick editing. *Not truth in adverstising........LOL

I'll get ol Monte........I have a plan *shhh don't tell him *.......I'm gonna make sure that he hands me a bow at the Bowtech booth and then I'm gonna dry fire it and tell everyone he told me tooooo! *Shhh don't tell him.... :evil: * *:angel: :P

[ldfalks]

Dee.........Yep kinda like that.....LOL

My intentions were to get ol Montes' goat , ya know ......the motorcycle........going slower than *the arrow shot for the bowtech.......Thats all slick editing. *Not truth in adverstising........LOL

I'll get ol Monte........I have a plan *shhh don't tell him *.......I'm gonna make sure that he hands me a bow at the Bowtech booth and then I'm gonna dry fire it and tell everyone he told me tooooo! *Shhh don't tell him.... :evil: * *:angel: :P

That's why they put him on the staff...they don't have enough money for a dry-fire machine and hiring him to do it was cheaper... :D 'Swut I hear anyway... :P

I can't wait to get the Spectral analysis of the new BowTechs at the ATA show. Will you be working the BowTech booth "point man"???

[Buckster]

Spectral Analysis

LOLOLOLOL

[brinirmess]

there is a post on the ladies forum that yall really need to read regarding this post.

[brinirmess]

that's my baby girl, and yea, she has a good head on 'er. She takes after Daddy, in both smarts and looks. :cheesy:

[ldfalks]

that's my baby girl, and yea, she has a good head on 'er. She takes after Daddy, in both smarts and looks. :cheesy:


Naw Brinir'...Coon ain't the one with the looks. FXY got those from you, not from Mr. Ugly!!! :shock: Heck the first time I met y'all I was going to pet him and shake hands with Bull !!!! :xn_cheesygrin: :xn_redface: :xn_smile:

[brinirmess]

that's cold ld, he was logged in under my name but thanks for the back-up. I tend to think bull looks like him too.

[SPECTRE]

Maybe Spectre can give us a peek @ what bowtech has to offer......

Instead of a six pack I usually sport my 12 pack..... (ribs).... :lol:

When I turn sideways and stick my tongue out I look like a zipper..... :rolleyes: :xeek:

[SPECTRE]

And nope LD...... not working the booth. I'll be there stirring up trouble of course, but not on the payroll for this show 8)

But hey, Let's go dry fire them anyway..... :icon_cheesygrin: It'll prove how tough they really are......



Or not..... :shock:

[SageCreek]

Did someone say they were not using bikinis and sexually explicit poses. :lol:

Boy, where have you been?

This was last years add campain.

[DonDeere]

And nope LD......* not working the booth.* I'll be there stirring up trouble of course, but not on the payroll for this show 8)

But hey, Let's go dry fire them anyway..... :icon_cheesygrin:* It'll prove how tough they really are......



Or not..... :shock:

... LETHAL DOSE ...I'm pretty sure that when I'm not manning the ASA booth with you guys, that me and the Archer formerly known as PRINCE will be doing something a little more "our style" :angel: ...like pulling FIRE ALARMS PDT_Armataz_01_36 PDT_Armataz_01_41

[clayking]

As a giant surprise to all here, I hate the ads..... :angry:

Way too many clothes............... :xn_cheesygrin:

Ms. Archer...........Have I've got to do everythihg for you :x_cool:......It's hard to believe but I do have this pic, ......... :rolleyes:...............ck

[BowTech_Shooter]

My intentions were to get ol Montes' goat , ya know ......the motorcycle........going slower than *the arrow shot for the bowtech.......Thats all slick editing. *Not truth in adverstising........LOL

Actually, if you do the math, the arrow is faster than the bike but as you can see, there was some editing done with the arrow as most arrows don't have a camera attached to the rear of them. Boy wouldn't that throw off the FOC a little bit. :D* *

BTW, have you seen the commercial that's a knock off of ours. Their arrow doesn't get to the target before the big ole slow semi truck wipes it out? Hmm, let's do the math on that one... :lol: 8)


I'll get ol Monte........I have a plan *shhh don't tell him *.......I'm gonna make sure that he hands me a bow at the Bowtech booth and then I'm gonna dry fire it and tell everyone he told me tooooo! *Shhh don't tell him.... :evil: * *:angel: :P


I won't tell him if you don't and if you're talking about at the ATA Show, I'll be in the Sales booth but I'm sure I'll hear it if you do. :shock:

I like meeting new people so if you're at the show stop by and introduce yourself.

[SPECTRE]

Actually, if you do the math, the arrow is faster than the bike but as you can see, there was some editing done with the arrow as most arrows don't have a camera attached to the rear of them. Boy wouldn't that throw off the FOC a little bit. :D*

But Bo and Luke Duke used to tape dynamite to their arrows on "The Dukes of Hazzard" and blow up cars and buildings........ so I really don't think FOC is that critical....... :rolleyes: :icon_cheesygrin:

And I heard that the new BowTechs are so rugged that if you dryfire one and it blows they'll actually GIVE you one..... of course it will be the same one that you dryfired in exchange for about $700......... :x_wink:

[Buckster]

Bowtech Shooter.......Did you know that if I shorten down your name its BS.....LOL *Just messin with ya. :evil: :grin:

I believe the semi is PSE right? heard about that one but I haven't seen it. * More slick editting!!!!!!!!!!


We will defiantly stop at the Bowtech booth.........I'll need a about a 60# bow in a 25-27" draw please....I'd like to see what a bowtech shoots like......never shoot one before....'cept
a rascal * :D

Leigh

[SPECTRE]

You'll have an opportunity to shoot while you're there buckster...... There's a range area in the back of the center with bags set up....

You'll be in love. Just thought I'd warn you :wink:


Oh Yeah....... SPECTRE spelled backwards is ERTCEPS, which is the tiny muscles that exist below the kneecaps. I'll flex for you if you want....... :rolleyes:

[DUBBYA ARE]

As a giant surprise to all here, I hate the ads..... :angry:

Way too many clothes............... :xn_cheesygrin:............ck



PDT_Armataz_01_04 :oops: :cry: PDT_Armataz_01_28 PDT_Armataz_01_20 PDT_Armataz_01_10 PDT_Armataz_01_01 :mrgreen: PDT_Armataz_01_25.....DUBBYA* ARE

[Buckster]

Spectra....I know I've been to the ATA show 7 years now....but Most of the bows are 29" draw 60 or 70#....I'm just a girl so I can't pull that weight at that draw! LOL.......

:smiley:

And no thanks I get my butt kicked enough at archery tournaments :grin: :cheesy:

[ldfalks]

Spectra....I know I've been to the ATA show* 7 years now....but* Most of the bows are 29" draw 60 or 70#....I'm* just a girl so I can't pull that weight at that draw!* LOL.......

:smiley:

And no thanks I get my butt kicked enough at archery tournaments :grin: :cheesy:


Stop by the ASA booth #2401 and I'll take you over to the Pearson/McPherson area to shoot an Edge and a Pride.* Mrs. LD just got an Edge, 26.5 draw, 49#, 7.75" brace height, 36" A-A, 275 grain arrow at 268 fps and SMOOTH.* A lot sexier (with her holding it) than that boring Martin ad too* :lol:

BTW she traded in a BowTech Extreme VFT for the McPherson Edge...and the Edge is faster.* Like they say, "If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space." 8)

[ldfalks]

Except for the goofy orange boots he looks just like any other archery pro out there, and the guys standing around are dressed like most 3-D amatuers at an ASA Pro/Am...right down to the collared shirts.* *:lol:



Do you mean to tell me they have to wear a helmet?* *:shock: :lol:* :D


Only if there are amatuers shooting on the same range... ](*,)

[Buckster]

Dee...thanks for the invite......we plan on shooting Mcpherson also..........

Bit I am a Mathews girl..........I'm not ready to go to another bow........

[ldfalks]

Is Mathews sponsoring you??? If not, you may want to look at a McPherson bow...lots of opportunity there... 8)

[Buckster]

You could say that......We are big Mathews Dealer.........But LD Just between you and me.....I am very impressed with what I've read about the McPherson line.......and Pearson has been asking us to be a dealer again....... 8)

[ldfalks]

Might be time to carry both lines...one made by Matt McPherson and one made by Ed McPherson 8)

Then you could shoot whichever one you wanted to and you wouldn't be cheatin' on anybody LOL :P

[Buckster]

By Golly LD that sounds like a plan to me! :lol:

[Tejas Raz]

Seems I remember reading a very nice review of the Edge in Bowhunting World recently Buckster.

[Buckster]

Raz.......I read a good article in Bowhunt America on the Edge....but I haven't read the one in bowhunt :icon_frown:

[Mrs Archer]

Ms. Archer...........Have I've got to do everythihg for you :x_cool:......It's hard to believe but I do have this pic, ......... :rolleyes:...............ck


OMG! Is that a Speedo?!? :shock: :shock:

Thanks, but I don't think I will be adding that to my collection. Ewe! PDT_Armataz_01_32

[bowtech_babe]

One last thing....this is a* :shocked:...2 weekends ago I was at Cabela's in Wheeling, WV and my attention was called to an amish couple shopping...wouldn't have been so bad if the man was not TALKING ON A CELL PHONE :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:* Beat that true story; bowjunkie even seen it!

Samantha Smith



Sam,

I see this quite often. As a matter of fact we have two Amish dealers in Ohio and they work off of cell phones. Last summer when I was in one shop they had a generator running to power their electric fans and the other shop I visited had a car battery hooked up to a power inverter to run their arrow cut off saw. (not sure how they charge the car battery). *:D They also have gas lighting in these shops too. Heck, I'm think plugging into an outlet would be much easier but hey, I'm not Amish either.


That's a good one but I think GanderMan can back me on this....in northern Indiana Amish send their kids to public schools.

Back when I lived there as a child I had a friend that was amish and she said it was custom for the girls to quit school at 15 years old. What's the most astonishing part is that during the winter months her and I would stay inside the school building and play games on the computer.......she knew how to run it better than me :rolleyes:

Sometimes makes me wonder if they are truely living the Amish way or are we so silly to think their products are better than "non-Amish" made products considering they are manufactured similarly :tongue: Makes one think that some of them are profiting from the "Amish" label. Gotta make an honest living huh? :angel:

Samantha Smith

[bowtech_babe]

Maybe Spectre can give us a peek @ what bowtech has to offer......

Instead of a six pack I usually sport my 12 pack.....* (ribs).... :lol:

When I turn sideways and stick my tongue out I look like a zipper..... :rolleyes: :xeek:


Let's not discriminate.......





12 pack...hmmmmm.....double the pleasure; double the fun.....

Where did I put my blindfold??? :cool:

Samantha Smith

[SageCreek]

Must erase mental image somehow, someway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :shocked:

:lol:

[MikeK]

I neither agree nor disagree with Heather's criticism of Martin's ads.* When these ads first appeared I expressed my opinion of them, which I acknowledge is subjective.* My impression of these images is they are not in any way relevant to the product they seek to call attention to.* In fact, the pictures of the girl, which are provocative to any post-pubescent heterosexual male, tend to distract attention from the real object of the ad and onto more libidinous thoughts.*

But, that's my opinion.* According to the reps at Archery Talk Martin is reporting a 25% rise in sales volume since the ads appeared, which suggests that a percentage of (presumably male) archers manifest obsessive adolescent sexuality.* What I find most interesting about this controversy is in spite of the fact that Martin sees fit to exploit an overtly sexual device in its advertising, a device which Heather and others have perceived as being essentially sleazy, the moderator at Archery Talk Soap Box, which belongs to Martin, insists on enforcing a virtual Sunday-school atmosphere of conversational wholesomeness in that forum.

I recently posted a message in the A/T Soap Box concerning the arrest of one Debra LeFave, an extraordinarily attractive young school teacher who, reminiscent of the Mary Kay LeTourneau scandal, is accused of conducting a sexual affair with a fourteen year old (male) student.* In this message I expressed the opinion, in semi-humorous spirit, that if indeed Miss LeFave, who happens to be a real knockout, is guilty as charged, I consider her young victim to be the luckiest fourteen year-old boy in America.*

Now, I acknowledge that this is my opinion.* I happen to disagree with the law which holds that this is a case of "molestation" because this fourteen year-old is a boy, not a girl, and those who are not aware of the difference are in serious need of consultation.* But while I understand that others might not share my opinion, I'm aware of no intelligent reason why the topic, which is a significant current event, should not be open to discussion.* I used no profanity, nor did my message impart any obscene mental images, but the response to it suggested that I'd advocated having sex with farm animals, or that it's okay for dirty old men to ravish young girls.*

In my opinion this is a case of a sexually mature young male who got lucky.* The teacher is certainly out of line and should be fired for exploiting her postion.* But I am curious to know how many men agree with the severity of the criminal charges leveled against her.* And in a forum which is sponsored by a company whose advertisements tacitly declare, "Have a look at these knockers and buy our bow!" (which I have no problems with, incidentally), my disagreement with the criminal charge against Debra LeFave and the implied invitation to discuss it was met with an amazing degree of Puritanical indignation.* The moderator saw fit to grandstand (he could have simply removed the message and told me why in a PM) by authoritatively proclaiing that this is a case of molestation, accusing me of having no "class," and issuing a warning.*

I do not consider a discussion of the nature and legal aspects of this case to be offensive to anyone, regardless of age.* And I invite discussion.

[3-D Mountaineer]

Those martin girls, if the ads were not working and doing what martin wants them to co then we would not be posting about this subject. Everyone out there knows what sells and the archery world is probably 75% men, so there you go. I don;t shoot a martin but there ads are eye catching. No, that does not mean it would be ok for my daughter to pose in those ads that would be up to her if she was an adult.

[MOBUCK]

Interesting thread! Heres my take on this Subject.

First I feel the Advertising has helped UP Martins sales the last year, but I think Archery Talk has had more to do with the Sales Increase then anything? With 18,000+ members, several of whom may have never seen or shot a Martin might have been Intrigued to Check them out. I have the only Martin in our town, its a good bow, but I can shoot WR's Hoyt just as well(maybe better :xn_cry:)
As far as the Ad's Martin is using, I'm not Offended, I look and go on! Will not have a Bearing on what Bow I buy.

I do feel some of the Martin Family is taking the CO in another Direction(Not sure its the right direction) :x_question:
It will be interesting to see how sales are in 2005. I myself am thinking about a new Bow, not sure what Brand.............but NO add Campaign will sway me one way or the other.
Dave

[4X-24 BOB]

HEY MOBUCK !* :x_cool: I will let you shoot my conquest 3 !* :x_exclaim: You will throw rocks at everything else after that ! :xn_cheesygrin: :xmrgreen: Did you buy MODOE a bow for Christmas ? :x_question:

[DonDeere]

...all the hub-bub is merely because Martin Archery has taken such a drastic departure from their past ArcheryHistory when it comes to advertising their Archery Products...

...it appears as though it's the exact same for Mike K and how he was treated by the site Administrator/Moderator he came into contact with when he posted his topic recently...

...what once was, is no more...and is no more, in more than one area of Martin Archery...

...it is good or bad...

...well that all depends on our individual perception of whats acceptable or unacceptable in so far as these issues, topics or advertisements go...

...nothing more, nothing less :wink: ...

...at the ATA show, I was actually thinking of taking SPECTRE over to get a picture with the Martin Advertisement celebrity...but not unlike the Red Ryder BB Gun, I feere he might have his eye put out, so now I'm having second thoughts for his safety :angel:

[MOBUCK]

HEY MOBUCK !* :x_cool: I will let you shoot my conquest 3 !* :x_exclaim: You will throw rocks at everything else after that ! :xn_cheesygrin: :xmrgreen: Did you buy MODOE a bow for Christmas ? :x_question:


Lol Bob.......... Not sure I'm UP to shooting another MMMMMMMMMMM Bow :xn_redface: right now!!! I can't seem to get MODOE very interested in Archery, which does save me $$$$$, but it would be Fun to shoot together. She is kind of Disappointed with the timing of the Bragging Rights Shoot, she thinks I need to skip the GOLF Tournament :xn_cry: Sad thing is I could win enough $$$$$$$ to buy her a new Bow and me some much needed Toys :xn_cheesygrin: Of course I would have to play well to win the BIG MOBUCKS :x_cool: Time will Tell.

Good or Bad, Martin has increased Sales...........now lets see what Direction 2005 takes. I myself am leaning toward Bowtech........If I can't beat Bowtech ED, I'll join Him :x_razz:

[coon]

What many of yall failed to see in Heather's post was that she was questioning if this is the direction that our sport should be headed toward. I know that we in general are trying to get more gals and youth in the sport in our area.
It's a good question. Is this where our sport is headed?

Just so yall will know, she was not offended by the ads, until she saw the most recent one...the one with the bikini, the provocative pose, and placement of the bow.

oops, tried to delete when I realized it was double posted. sorry

[SPECTRE]

DD...... We WILL be getting our picture taken with Kate....... :shock: But just so that we can get a copy for Ivorytooth to speed his recovery..... 8)


thedarkarcher and I have a little something planned for Justin while we're at the show. I'll stop by the ASA booth and fill you guys in. :afro:

[DonDeere]

DD......* We WILL be getting our picture taken with Kate.......* *:shock:*

...okay, but YOU better wear your safety glasses, I DO NOT want to be the one who has to tell your wife how your eye was put out!!! :shock: .,..

...anything for SNAGGLE 8) :angel:

...will await further direstions from You and :afro: at the ASA booth 8-[

[SageCreek]

DD,

Does TDA have a new dew I knew nothing about? :grin:

[SPECTRE]

I've thought about changing his user name from tda to "officemaxarcher".... 8)

But nope...... he still looks shiny on top..... :wink:

[BowTech_Shooter]

Bowtech Shooter.......Did you know that if I shorten down your name its BS.....LOL *Just messin with ya. :evil: :grin:

BS also stands for Bachelor of Science but since I don't have a college degree guess which one fits me best?* :lol:


We will defiantly stop at the Bowtech booth.........I'll need a about a 60# bow in a 25-27" draw please....I'd like to see what a bowtech shoots like......never shoot one before....'cept
a rascal* *:D

Leigh



We'll have a bunch of bows at the show that will fit the specs mentioned above so be sure to stop by, shoot a few bows and say Hi!

Pat