ASA and the West Coast

[OregonArcher]

ok why is there no ASA shoots on the west coast? to many good shooters getting left out over here. anyone know why they have isolated their shoots to just the eastern US?

[pinshooter]

Here is one.
March 4- 6* Grand Casino Coushatta Shoot Out

[OregonArcher]

thats in louisiana lol

[DonDeere]

...Hi OregonArcher...

...history shows that the ASA PRO-AM TOUR has always had it best attendance East of the Mississippi 8) ...and we all know that in order to make an event that pays it's way, you must have the shooter numbers...

...I believe over time that will change, and the ASA may very well be working it's way out to a STELLAR location near you and the folks from the West Coast* who long for the thrill and PROfessional tournament atmosphere that the ASA PRO-AM'S provide to those who attend 8) ...

...heck, in a few short yeere's the ASA may even be a WORLDWIDE Association and may hold true WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP'S in various Countries around the Globe :wink:

...so you and your friends scout a location that has everything necessary to hold one of these "world class" events(site location for 12-15 20 target ranges, vendor display area, parking for all who attend, hotels, plenty of eating establishments, reasonable proximity to airports or main highways, camping, etc.) and who knows...with your efforts, the ASA just might be able to get a PRO-AM in your backyard(or closer to it anyway :) )...

...when you come up with a location that you are POSITIVE has all that is required, and has community backing, let us know and I bet the ASA would certainly consider looking into it 8)

...Thank You for your inquery...

Don Radewald
ASA Northen Regional Director

[OregonArcher]

DD how many people ya bringin? lol

[skip]

The ASA (National Pro/Am Events) began some time ago in the Southeastern US, and has grown and expanded since that time.* The ASA in general is club based, and the majority of the clubs are located East of the big river.* For the same reasons that it took NASCAR so long to move into different markets,* The ASA moves slowly to insure that there are enough members in a given area to support a Pro/Am. Sometimes, even sheer membership does not insure a good Pro/Am turnout, so there is the Dilemma... I am sure that if there was a club base out west, the chances of getting a Pro/Am would be better... other than the population corridors on the west coast, there are still huge areas that have limited population to support a tournament.

The best way to get a tournament is to build the club structure necessary to support it, and develop the member base that will go to a Pro/Am when it comes to your town ..

Skip

[DonDeere]

DD how many people ya bringin? lol

...well, if you can talk the folks at STEAMBOAT SPRINGS, SNOWBIRD, TELLURIDE, LAKE TAHOE or PARK CITY into it...I'll be bringing the entire Deere Herd PDT_Armataz_01_34

...excellent reply SKIP!! 8) ...

...OREGON ARCHER, be sure to tell all your club, shop or range owners to stop by the ASA Booth at the ATA show and pick up the necessary information they may need to get the ASA Federation expanding in these West Coast markets...

...all good things start first with "determination" :wink:

[pinshooter]

thats in louisiana lol


Sorry must have been up too late that night. :icon_cheesygrin:

[ldfalks]

We have some ASA Clubs in the West:

NEWWAUKUM VALLEY ARCHERS MIKE LABARRE 2206 EUREKA AVE CENTRALIA, WA 38531 360-291-2404 mnljbl@quik.com

DESERT ARCHERS JOHN TYE 861 W KRIZAN DR TUSCON AZ 85704 520-744-2050 johrtye@msn.com

DESERT BOWHUNTERS GLEN JONES 7313 N 45TH AVE GLENDALE, AZ 85301 623-934-5435

HASSAYAMPA BOWHUNTERS TOM POLLEI 550 S JACKSON ST WICKENBURG, AZ 85390 928-684-9612 tpollei@yahoo.com

HIGH DESERT ARCHERS LETA KERNEN 25 CROOKED CREEK DR CRAIG CO 81625 970-824-3736
IRON ROSE ARCHERY MIKE LEE 16855 BRADSHAW RD PEYTON, CO 80831 719-337-1787 ironroses@msn.com

PIEDRA BOWHUNTERS, INC ERIC DEAN PO BOX 185 MONTE VISTA, CO 81144 719-657-2748

JC BOWHUNTERS BRENT COOPER 1188 N HYDRAULIC BELLE PLAINE, KS 67013 620-488-2720 dblhock@cowboyway.com

MONTGOMERY CTY ARCHERY ASSOC MARK REYNOLDS RR#4 BOX 30A COFFEYVILLE, KS 67337 620-251-6253

SALTHAWK ARCHERY DARRELL KEARNS 690 COMANCHE RD INMAN KS 67546 620-664-0608 darrellK65@yahoo.com

BUCKHORN ARCHERY BROOK SMITH PO BOX 634 FERRON UT 84523 435-384-2396

It would be great to have a Pro/Am in the Sea/Tac area or on the Olympic Penninsula (I sure miss that country) we just need to get some more clubs signed up in those parts. Slowly but surely the ASA is spreading outward from it's Southeastern roots. :D

Look for a Pro/Am near you coming soon 8)

[3-D Mountaineer]

OregonArcher,
Would be great to have a national 3-D ASA shoot out west. Probably would not cost much more than what Kinder costs for a plane ticket, everthing would still cost the same. I for one would like to see it happen.

[ldfalks]

You need 300 contiguous acres of wooded land + 50 cleared for parking and the tournament village. Then you need hotel rooms for 3,000 within 30 min drive. Once you get that the community needs to kick in with labor to develop a 12 Range (20 target each) site with a 40 target practice rage and 2ea 10 target Limbsave Known Distance ranges.

The tourism board has to be on board to help keep the local hotel room prices under control and the local community has to want the ASA to be there. Give me a call 615-497-0147 and I'll talk to you more about it.

Dee

[brinirmess]

In the meantime yall west coast boys should check out our most "western shoot" in west La. The Grand Coushatta ASA shoot in my opinion...is the best as far as hotel distance,rv/camping grounds, other nearby attractions, and the best is their ranges...within walking distance of everything. You can't beat it.

[ldfalks]

Yeah, what brinirmess said. Kinder ROCKS :P

[SPECTRE]

The ASA is the most family friendly archery competition out there, so for goodness sakes keep it on the east coast.... :lol:


I feel like I'm in the Guard...... *Gone one weekend a month already..... :shocked:


Seriously, it'll get there. *Then we'll have to have divisions and decide who the smack daddy is at the Classic.... 8)

Bring your sharpie and get ready to sign 'em over...... *to me..... :tongue:

[brinirmess]

We can still be the most family friendly ......west or east coast..it's the ASA family that makes the org. so great, I don't think it matters what coast you're on. Still partial to us southerners being the most freindly though. We know how to treat everyone..even yanks. lol

[SPECTRE]

At some of the other big shoots..... my family is charged to watch me compete :rolleyes:

The kids love to watch their dad shoot. The ASA has always allowed that and made the access very easy. As a matter of fact, both of my kids shoot now and they'll be using their GC's from the shop to purchase hip quivers. 8)

That's why they call it "The Shooter's Choice" :D

[brinirmess]

our family calls it "the shooter's family 's choice"..we started out watching our son, then dad started shooting, then me, then the youngest daughter, and finally the oldest. If our dog bull could manage, he'd shoot too, now he comes with us to the local shoots, and loves to walk with us to pull arrows. It's a family sport, no matter who all is in the family. lol

[kward]

OK i am telling my age here but the asa use to hold an event in craig co. talk about a trip! I would fly into denver and drive up thru estes park.
just breath taking. i also remember at night we would ride around and see some great wildlife. made a nice mini vacation for me.

seemed that shooting out there was different, the views are just so big, it made 50yds look short!

i am game to travel again!

[SPECTRE]

I agree with Kelly. Trips are big fun but big expensive.......

Unless you're "Da Bomb" and have a little help..... 8)


Of course....... she's earned it :grin: Everyone else is shooting for 2nd on down...... :x_cool:

[Bobmuley]

You need 300 contiguous acres of wooded land + 50 cleared for parking and the tournament village. Then you need hotel rooms for 3,000 within 30 min drive. Once you get that the community needs to kick in with labor to develop a 12 Range (20 target each) site with a 40 target practice rage and 2ea 10 target Limbsave Known Distance ranges.
Dee
* The land is the easy part out here.* Getting people to come is the hard part.* You can count on the locals to show up (100-300), but that doesn't mean a whole lot to the ASA/IBO.

well, if you can talk the folks at STEAMBOAT SPRINGS, SNOWBIRD, TELLURIDE, LAKE TAHOE or PARK CITY into it...I'll be bringing the entire Deere Herd
I for one support the idea of a Western shoot, but I don't think it did/would work on an annual basis.* if there was one held somewhere in the west every other year or so it would expose more western archers to the organization and not deplete the easterners bank account every year.* Heck, they could save up for a couple years and as Kelly stated make it into a mini vacation.



The Great Western Shootout used to be held at ski resorts (Winter Park, then on to Monarch) and were always well attended.* I don't know why they stopped having them.* There were always 800+ shooters.* In addition most large ski areas are fairly easy to get to.* Heck you can even take the shuttles, they aren't doing much that time of year anyway.

Grand Junction, Colorado would be a great place to shoot. :D* But, really my vote (if it mattered) would be for one of the resort areas around Denver, Salt Lake, or Portland areas.* More exotic/scenic areas can be easily be found, but travel and lodging is easier in these areas, yet they can represent the "Western" experience.

Remember that travelling back east is also expensive. :(

[ldfalks]

You can count on the locals to show up (100-300), but that doesn't mean a whole lot to the ASA/IBO.



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[brinirmess]

Traveling anywhere these days can be expensive. But, with the ASA shoots being held it different areas it gives us a break when it's closer to home. Our fartherest distance to travel this year will be Pa., shortest, the 30 minutes to Kinder, so it all works out if you're the willing type. Also r/t the expenses, we look at all the trips as mini-vacations. Unlike most people who take long expensive one once a year, we get several minis throughout the season.

And us ASA people love the locals!!!!!

[Bobmuley]

You can count on the locals to show up (100-300), but that doesn't mean a whole lot to the ASA/IBO.



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Would the ASA be interested in putting on a shoot with 20 pros, maybe 100 "non-pro" class competitors and 100 locals. Wouldn't make any financial sense, and as has been proven in the past, they close the event at that location. I can't blame them. The ASA and IBO aren't charities.

[Bobmuley]

Our fartherest distance to travel this year will be Pa., shortest, the 30 minutes to Kinder, so it all works out if you're the willing type. Also r/t the expenses, we look at all the trips as mini-vacations. Its not a matter of willing, but rather a matter of feasibility. 60 hours of driving and 3500+ miles takes it well out of the "mini" vacation realm and turns it into a mission. If the family wants to come along I'd be looking at $4,000+ for the weekend.

I don't blame the ASA/IBO for not having big shoots out here (its been proven that they don't make money), I do blame them for not even organizing state level representatives in many of the Western states to expose more archers to the way 3D is supposed to be ran.

[brinirmess]

My entire family attends every event we go too, so yeh, we look at it as mini vacations. We also live in central La., so yes, some locations are closer than others for us.


I don't blame the ASA/IBO for not having big shoots out here (its been proven that they don't make money), I do blame them for not even organizing state level representatives in many of the Western states to expose more archers to the way 3D is supposed to be ran.

Do you have clubs in your area? If so, are they ASA , clubs? I'm not sure about the way ASA goes about placing reps and such, but I would think that you'd need some interest from the local clubs and such.Maybe you'd be a good person to get the grass-root ASA campaign started in your area. That way we could travel out west soon.

[Bobmuley]

Nearly all the clubs are IBO affiliates (they hung on longer out here) in my area. Very few of us can remember/know what the ASA is and how they are different from IBO. Most just don't know anything about ASA. They don't know what its like to shoot the low 12s, they just know how to shoot like IBO thugs. :D :wink:


My entire family attends every event we go too, so yeh, we look at it as mini vacations. We also live in central La., so yes, some locations are closer than others for us. According to Mapquest my driving time for the shoots would be 366 hours, or about 2 weeks and a day! :shock:

[DonDeere]

...Man BOBMULEYdeere...we have got to get out there and show you folks what REAL TOURNAMENT QUALITY 3D is all about :wink:

... what will help this come to fruition is a BIG NAME ... well healed sponsor who is knee deep in the pocket books of those who shoot 3D...such as REALTREE, GENERAL MOTORS, FORD MOTOR COMPANY, EASTON ...to name a few, or someone similar willing to spend money on those that will actually at some point in time return it to them via purchases of clothing or equipment ...multiple large donors would also fit the bill to aid this mission...

...there is not a doubt in my mind that one day in the future this will come to pass as the ASA ventures to the western states...and all of the western state 3Dee'res will come to understand what the Midwest, Eastern and southern shooters do about the EXCELLENCE of the ASA 3D Tournament Archery program...

...give us time...we're working on it PDT_Armataz_01_34

[brinirmess]

Bob, where exactly are you from? 366 hours....that's a looonnng way. Hey, if you can make it to Kinder, look me up.....We, (my husband coon, children, and bull, the dog) :lol:, will gladly show you some good 'ole southern hospitality, and treat you to some cajun gumbo. Hope you can make it. :P

[ldfalks]

OK Bob, you're in Grand Junction, Colorado. We have clubs in CO but no State Rep. Here are the clubs:

HDCO HIGH DESERT ARCHERS LETA KERNEN 25 CROOKED CREEK DR CRAIG, CO 81625 970-824-3736
IRCO IRON ROSE ARCHERY MIKE LEE 16855 BRADSHAW RD PEYTON, CO 80831 719-337-1787 ironroses@msn.com

PBCO PIEDRA BOWHUNTERS, INC ERIC DEAN PO BOX 185 MONTE VISTA, CO 81144 719-657-2748

I'm looking for an ASA CO State Rep. Do you know anyone, yourself included who might want the job. If anyone wants the job of ASA Colorado State Rep they can email or call me. Jimmy Mitchell, ASA Western Region Director and I will be accepting resume's until Jan 31, 2005 for that position.

With 3 clubs in CO it's high time to get some qualifiers and a State Championship going. Thank you Bob, we just may be onto something :o

[brinirmess]

That's how it gets going huh, Dee? I've never been to Colorado yet, hope it's soon!!! Not sure I'd wanna ride with Mark in the mountains yet though, those "mountains" in Va. were enough for me.

[Bobmuley]

...Man BOBMULEYdeere...we have got to get out there and show you folks what REAL TOURNAMENT QUALITY 3D is all about :wink:

... what will help this come to fruition is a BIG NAME ... well healed sponsor who is knee deep in the pocket books of those who shoot 3D...such as REALTREE, GENERAL MOTORS, FORD MOTOR COMPANY, EASTON ...to name a few, or someone similar willing to spend money on those that will actually at some point in time return it to them via purchases of clothing or equipment ...multiple large donors would also fit the bill to aid this mission...

...there is not a doubt in my mind that one day in the future this will come to pass as the ASA ventures to the western states...and all of the western state 3Dee'res will come to understand what the Midwest, Eastern and southern shooters do about the EXCELLENCE of the ASA 3D Tournament Archery program...

...give us time...we're working on it PDT_Armataz_01_34
Did DD just say Ford Motor Company? :o :shock:

I'm not much of a marketer or salesman, but we do have several nationally known proprieters that may fill the bill eg. Cabelas, though they may not be able to support a shoot yet; or maybe Coors, etc.

I used to attend alot of ASA shoots so I know how a shoot is supposed to be ran. :)

[ldfalks]

FORD MOTOR COMPANY

pass it on :xn_redface:

[brinirmess]

REAL :lol: men drive Fords

[rcher54]

They're starting to move north also. Harrisburg PA is on the schedule this year! :D :shock: 8)

[SPECTRE]

There's been much discussion on major sponsorships of national archery events. You see this in any sports area.

Nike's logo is on countless #'s of university football jerseys. NEXTEL is the big dog in NASCAR...... and every stadium has a corporate name in front of it now.

What needs to happen with that is TV exposure. The general public seems to view us 3D'ers as a bunch of bubba's with bib over-alls on.... :huh:

And while that may be true, the only way to see that we're athlete's just like anyone else is to give somebody a behind the scenes look at what we do. If people got to watch the shootdown then they'd see how exciting it can be and perhaps come out and try it for themselves.

Only about 5% of bowhunters actually participate in 3D competition. That means that we have plenty of room to grow! :D And as the sport grows, so will equipment sales in all of the shops!!!

I put a suggestion out there to all the shop owners one time. In a nutshell.... my suggestion was this.....

With every dozen arrows you sell, wrap a flyer listing every shoot within 50 miles around the dozen arrows when you cut and insert them.

Offer a 10% discount on arrow purchases when somebody brings in a completed scorecard from a shoot.

(I know what the mark-up is on arrows so if the shop owners aren't willing to do this then they're just greedy :rolleyes:)

Me....... I'd rather get more business year round than to make a few extra bucks once a year on arrows. It just makes good business sense. 8)