Need some help...

[lterry]

I have been trying like forever to pick a bow out of a picture and place it onto a different background. I have been using Adobe Photoshop 6 but I can't seem to get her done. Is there a way to do it or am I wasting my time trying?

Or is there another program that works better? Thanks guys! :D

[Oldaro]

Well, I use Corel package. They have a PhotoPaint for your kind of a task, but the procedure should be similar in that respect.

I'd suggest you cut the bow out of the picture using "lasso" type of mask, or paint a mask over all that has to be lifted out, then cut or copy.
Place onto new surface - transparent or white - directly from the clipboard, magnify and cut or mask-paint away any tiny mistakes. Save this picture.

Now mask all the empty space around the bow using "magic wand" type mask selector. Invert the selection. Thebow is yours to copy.
Paste onto new background. Magnify and correct. Equalize colors. Correct brightness, contrast, resolution (to at least 300dpi, if you plan to use offset press).

I hope it helps...

:D

[ldfalks]

iterry, just email the pic to Fil and hire him to do it. Kind of like brain surgery,the Dr. makes it sound sooooo, simple, but one little mistake and you're FUBAR for life... :(

[lterry]

I am beginning to think your right!

I have started over upteen times and I still haven't gotten very far! :(

ET is out of town until late tonight....so I am going to play with this for awhile...

Now if I would just get off of here and work alittle I might be a little futher along.. :D

But it's so much fun "hanging out here!"

[Oldaro]

LD, it's that proverbial fish thing, you know...

No problem presenting lterry with some fish for dinner, but in the long term it's better to teach her to fish.

:D

I only joke, Londa, if you think I can help, just yell. But I think you can solve it. It doesn't matter whether you mask the bow from its surrounding and cut it out, or you mask and delete the rest of the picture and save the bow shape.

There's the third way. Hang the bow on some bright thread in the frame of the window. Make sure there are no immeddiate objects behind that window. Wait for the night. Take a photo using lots of light from several sides.

You now have the picture of the bow on a dark background! Any trace of what was outside window can be easily painted black and out of the picture. Same goes for the bright thread. That was the reason it was bright; now it can be seen!

"Magic Wand mask" the black parts of the picture. Invert the mask. Cut away the mask (bow). CLEAR the picture. Return the mask / bow back to "no background". Save.

Now you have your bow surrounded by "nothing". Apply over whatever background... See?

Easy as falling down the stairs...

:D

[ldfalks]

I agree that everyone should know how to fish, if for nothing more than the theraputic effect of watching a cork all day :new_rofl: but I believe more strongly in "specialization and devision of labor". iterry is good at building bows. The oppertunity cost of her spending time learning to a small yet tedious task that she will only perform a few times (that may be done by someone expert in the area for a small fee) instead of concentrating on her specialty (building bows) may be greater than the price she would pay the expert.

So...everyone should learn to fish, but then go to the market and buy your fish dinner unless you have disposable time that you would rather spend watchin a cork :D

[lterry]

Ok guys....here is what I succeeded in doing....Thanks for the information Oldaro :D

After many times of trying this is what I came up with. What ya think? Is it good enough to use on a flyer? ??? When I zoom in on the bottom limb I see an area that isn't smooth...but when I printed it out on a standard size paper it doesn't look to bad.....I don't think??? But this isn't my specialty!!!!!

Oh by the way....I like to fish... :new_rofl:

[Tejas Raz]

Looks pretty durn good to me! Nice work Londa.

[Walleye Joe]

Looks good to me too Londa!

[ldfalks]

Yeah, looks Great!!! Now, let's go fishin' :D

[lterry]

Thanks Guys! :D

Now when did you say we were going fishing? ???

[imanut2]

Looks good!!

Fishing at the BRS...bring your fishin' poles...
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[lterry]

There's time for fishin at the BRS?

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there isn't time for sleep! :D

[Tejas Raz]

Yea.... think it's BIG TIME on the stories part! You heere that Bellows guy?...... ???

Why sleep anyway?! :new_rofl: :D

[imanut2]

Of course there's no time for sleep...some of the best fishin' is done at night...never know what ya can reel in ;)

Besides...sleep is way over-rated ;)

[The Hood]

last year on the way in to the BRS I stopped and was shooting carp and turtles at the first mud hole.

so YES,,There's TIME

and I'll put a signny up :D

Londa, Nice looking bow, sorta looks like mine

[Oldaro]

Ok guys....here is what I succeeded in doing...

Londa, I'd brighten it up some, and maybe heighten the contrast a tad. Not much. But it looks pretty dark to me now. It, of course, greatly depends upon the sort of background you intend to paste it over...

The tiny irregularities on the lower limb can be smoothed... Again, depending on the background, they may never be noticed...

JMO... :D

[lterry]

Ok guys....here is what I succeeded in doing...

Londa, I'd brighten it up some, and maybe heighten the contrast a tad. Not much. But it looks pretty dark to me now. It, of course, aprtly depends upon the sort of background you intend to paste it over...

The tiny irregularities on the lower limb can be smoothed... Again, depending on the background, they may never be noticed...

JMO... :D


I couldn't post what I am trying to do, the file is to big. I e-mailed them to you to take a look at. This is the first time I have tried to do this so you input is greatly appreciated. :D

[ldfalks]

If this gig works Fil, you have to take me fishing!

[lterry]

At the BRS? ??? Fil, ya gotta come a long way to do that! :D

[ldfalks]

Gotta get him over here some how :new_rofl:

[Oldaro]

Well, I'm nearing the airport. Which way do I fly?

:D

Londa, here's what I did with your "stolen and returned" picture. Like it?

[Oldaro]

... and here's a try with some background... the kind of those that sorely need T-Raz warmup recipes... humid, chilly and timeless forest...

:D

[lterry]

You are on it! :D The pictures had a brownish background..several different shades. I talked to ET about taking some new ones doing them as you so kindly suggested. I like the background that you set in...I haven't had any luck learning how to set the backgrounds in. I haven't had any success is picking the bow off and placing it on another picture. :( Thanks for all the help...I just hoped that it would go in the pdf file...with dial-up it is hard to send originals.

[ldfalks]

Well, I'm nearing the airport. Which way do I fly?

:D
Just fly West until you get to Missouri. then just ask anyone for directions to the BRS. :D They'll tell you where to go :new_rofl:

[Oldaro]

LD... it's freezing up here... But I have to stay near the ceiling because of missilles... and bird flu...

Problem is, I'm low on fuel and when I spend the last drop I'll have to turn back home.

Oh well... Another time.

:D

Londa, I'd suggest you take no less than 5MPx camera, 8MPx would be even better, and train three halogene lamps (say, 500W each) at your object: One behind the photographer, 3-4 yards distant, shining over the head, and put the he other two left and right of the photographer, elbow height, same distance, at positions beneath his / her spread hands.

Hang the bow so that the grip is at eye level. One thread to hang from, two threads below, to control the angle. Tie them to some nails in the board, fix the board to position by some weight, say a rock or water bottles.

Wait for the bow to become motionless. Take at least three to five pics per angle of shooting, but always try some micro variations by moving slightly left or right, within the lighting plane. With three times 500W halogen reflectors you won't need the flash, but do work from the tripod anyway. Use at least a monopod. Remember to fix the sensitivity to 100ASA - do not let the camera compensate by heightening of sensitivity! You need fine-"grained" pictures, so less sensitive is more important than speedy exposure. That's why the tripod.

<somebody stop me>

:D

I'm sure you'll have fun doing it!

[lterry]

Thanks for all the information! :icon_cheers: I will keep working on this. Will set it aside until next weekend when I have some time alone to devote my full attention to what I am doing. One way or another I will get this figured out! :D

I really appreciate all the time and effort you put into explaining to me how to do this! :D

[Tejas Raz]

Fil is a professional photographer by the way. I've got a few of his photos that I rotate through as my desktop along with my own. I do wish I'd saved more of them before our server crash lost so many! :(

[Oldaro]

Londa, PM or mail me whenever you feel like asking anything, I'll do my best to help. Pity for the distance from you guys, I said it several times before, and it's still the same... well, a bit shorter in winter... How about we all get together and buy ourselves an Asn Island?! We could solve by a shout what we now have to type!

And my house will be open to the Northern light, and I'll do Ads and Pix for whoever needs any...

:D

(...come on, where would you live on the Asn Isle, and what would you do for Asners?)

:D :D :D

[lterry]

Thanks Fil! :D

I didn't realize this was your profession...I really appreciate you help and thanks for the offer to help out. :)

I'm all for an ASN Island for all the ASNER'S! Where shall we look for this island? ???

Not sure where my specialty is....but I may be able to pitch in and do some good for our asner's.

How about the rest of ya? :new_rofl:

[Oldaro]

I'm all for an ASN Island for all the ASNER'S! Where shall we look for this island?

Well, Mediterranean isles are beauties. Adriatic, even better.

Here's the one I spent one winter month at. All the power and water from the sky, all the fish you can eat around, and all the silence you can imagine - yours for your aura to spread and grow!

But this is an one- or two-persons place. There are other sizes, of course. Some of them even have villages - abandoned in times when people there had only their physical work to sell, and there was no alternative. Many went abroad, and many from those to America. Some of them now trying to return, but their age making it dificult...

Anyway, I'm interested what the other ASNers think. Who knows, maybe one day... or maybe someone already owns an island, but keeps it a secret?!

:D

[Walleye Joe]

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What a beautiful place?!

[ldfalks]

Oldaro,
Is that you waving from the front porch? :wave:

Maybe we could stay in shifts...like a time-share :D

[Oldaro]

Can't rightly say, itsa smallish picture....

Nah, I don't think so. I ain't that yellow... or that round....

:D

[ldfalks]

Can't rightly say, itsa smallish picture....

Nah, I don't think so. I ain't that yellow... or that round....

:D


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