New Bowtech Cam Thought

[hillbilly]

I was just wondering what some of yall think of the new cam from Bowtech. Also, I wonder if cam lean will be an issue. Any input would be appreciated. I gonna buy a new bow here in the near future and seems I've narrowed it between the Liberty or the Allegiance. Thanks.

[SageCreek]

I like new ideas, and I think this one is worth a look see. My hats off to Bowtech for thinking outside the box.

The limbs are short, so maybe not too much cam lean, the jury is still out of that one.

People say it's a shooter.

I bet the 06 Equalizer + cam will be a tad bit better. :wink:

[500 fps]

I finally got to shoot a Defender yesterday and I'm VERY impressed with it. It wasn't my draw length, but I was able to get a good feel for it. The initial part of the draw is a little stiff, but there is a very smooth transition to full draw. The speed is incredible and litterally right out of the box....after tying in a d-loop the first shot from the bow went through the chrony at 289 fps.....that is at 70 lbs, 28", 383 gr arrow, with hush kit, 2 eliminator buttons, d-loop, and brass nock on the string......through a whisker biscuit (which will cost you a few fps too). The most impressive aspect is the noise...or lack thereof.....I know this is subjective, but I believe it is as quiet if not quieter than my Liberty.....and that was the consensus of everyone else in the shop. There was a slight kick from the bottom cam when shot, but after installing a small 6 oz stabilizer it just sat dead in my hand.

It's going to be another huge year for Bowtech and I believe the Equilizer cam system will set a new standard in the industry.

[AKDoug]

As long as their quality control is good on the limbs I doubt you will see many instances of cam lean. It's no different than having a single cam on each end of the bow. Are you guys having cam lean issue with your single cam bowtechs? I am not with a Newberry.

Now, I have LOTS of other questions and there is quite a thread on it on AT. My primary concern is the ability (or inability) of being able to fine tune draw length by twisting or untwisting strings or cables. My initial impression left by several guys that have shot this cam, and Bowtech's own comments on this system, have left me believing that adjustability will not be possible. However, I have not recieved a satifactory answer as of yet.

Looking at the pictures Crackers has posted of the cams I have done a lot of thinking and believe that draw length could be fine tuned by string twisting.

:?: :?: :?:

[Fletch Helical]

I've only seen the pics of it, but have heard alot of good. Like AK mentioned I don't know how much you can "play" with the strings and cables. I'm just one of the die hards for a twin cam bow and am kinda disappointed they got rid of them with the exception of the Black Knight. But I can understand their point of view as far as a business goes. From what I understand their relation of twin cams to singles that were sold was something like a few hundred to one. So why make the twins, kinda like how alot of finger shooter bows aren't really made anymore. I'm curious to see if it will change the industry, as far as I'm concerned both my Bowtech twin cams are about as fast as I need and are tack drivers so I have no immediate need to change :)

[SageCreek]

I don't see why you couldn't fine adjust draw length just by varing the length of the string. Shouldn't be a problem at all.

[Crackers]

There is a warning sticker on the string when you take the bow out of the box. You can twist the string about 3 twist all other adjustments must be done with the draw stop. There is a point on this cam that it will hit 100% let off and if this happens your in trouble. I'm sure we'll find out where the limitations are but for now you can adjust the draw stop a little with out changing let off.

[Fletch Helical]

There is a warning sticker on the string when you take the bow out of the box. You can twist the string about 3 twist all other adjustments must be done with the draw stop. There is a point on this cam that it will hit 100% let off and if this happens your in trouble. I'm sure we'll find out where the limitations are but for now you can adjust the draw stop a little with out changing let off.

I remember hearing about that, something like the bow will stay at full draw and the only way to fix it is to put it in a press? No clue on how that can happen so if it's DL specific when you order it what do you do for +/- 1/2 inch adjustments? It almost doesn't sound like there's alot of adjustability.

[500 fps]

The Equalizer cam will be available in 1/2" increments, so with that and the post adjustment, I think you will be able to get exactly where you need.

[mcb_mi]

Can't what to try it to see what it will feel like. Not sure which bow though old glory or constitution. Will have to make up the mind soon though.

[pinshooter]

AKDoug, I have seen cam lean with Bowtechs. I don't believe or least I haven't seen any company produce bows without a few having cam lean.

I have just seen the picture on their web site. I think they are smart people and this design will be built upon but I am uncertain about the 2005's. I think the two biggest issues are not being able to twist your string and cables to fine tune draw length and to use the cable to straighten your top cam. In all honesty two cam bows have the advantage here.

Of course it doesn't matter to me, I'm shooting a Browning. :D

[Old Glory]

Do you think this new cam can equalize a set of Zebra strings :D

[pinshooter]

I don't think any bow can do that. :lol:

[SageCreek]

I have had no problems from the Zebra's I've shot after the initial break in.

I guess I'm the lucky one, eh?

[n2bows]

I don't see what the big deal is about this new cam. It looks just like a two cam bow without split harness on the cables. And with the cables coming off the cams on the same side as the cable guard. There is NO WAY that you WON'T have cam lean. You have to have a split harness to to adjust out cam lean. Wether you have a two cam, one cam or a cam and a half.

[BowTech_Shooter]

I don't see what the big deal is about this new cam. It looks just like a two cam bow without split harness on the cables. And with the cables coming off the cams on the same side as the cable guard. There is NO WAY that you WON'T have cam lean. You have to have a split harness to to adjust out cam lean. Wether you have a two cam, one cam or a cam and a half.

On a conventional single cam or hybrid system, how do you adjust the lean out of the bottom cam where there's no split harness?

[pinshooter]

No adjustment on the bottom cam except on two cams. The only way I know to adjust them is by determining what the problem is and replacing it. That can be anything from bushings, axles to switching limbs.

[thndrr]

I don't see what the big deal is about this new cam. It looks just like a two cam bow without split harness on the cables. And with the cables coming off the cams on the same side as the cable guard. There is NO WAY that you WON'T have cam lean. You have to have a split harness to to adjust out cam lean. Wether you have a two cam, one cam or a cam and a half.

I got to shoot one, and the way its set up, I DID NOT notice or see ANY cam lean :wink: It's slick...... :o

[Crackers]

To many people put to much into this cam lean
You twist here and there and wow no lean and
do you ever think about looking at the cam at
full draw and see what it does after you do all
this twisting? If you take the lean out of a cam
in the relaxed postion and the draw it back the
cam will now lean the other way. You want to
have the cam straight at full draw and the
BowTech cam (new) has no lean

[pdq 5oh]

I think too many people think too much. Crackers is right about people wanting to get their bow set up perfectly at brace. Only to create problems at full draw. If you think about it, having the cables attached inside the limbs will allow them less leaverage to induce lean. The biggest problem some will have with this cam system is that it's soooo simple. :shock:

[ldfalks]

Big deal!!! As long as the bow recoves the same way every time you can't ask for any more. If it isn't popping and jumping then it will work just fine. IMHO 8)

[Jerry]

I think too many people think too much. Crackers is right about people wanting to get their bow set up perfectly at brace. Only to create problems at full draw. If you think about it, having the cables attached inside the limbs will allow them less leaverage to induce lean. The biggest problem some will have with this cam system is that it's soooo simple.* :shock:


Amen Phil !

[SPECTRE]

Everyone seems to think that this is another run of the mill hybrid like the hoyt or the martin cam system.

The initial difference is that the top and bottom cams are identical...... just like a conventional twin cam.

I know the tech. nuts twisted the crap out of one cable and shot the system in a hooter shooter and it only affected POI by 1/2" at 20 yards (by twisting the crap out of it I mean 25 twists.....).

This makes me think that IF you experience a little cable stretch then you'll not be in a panic.....

I'll see in a couple of weeks when the Old Glory arrives. 8)

[FRANK / PA]

Got to shoot the new Equalizer cam............I was impressed, I thought that the liberty was smooth on the shot, huh.....this bow s ridiculously quiet and smooth......that is NO BS!!. I have the fortune to shoot the "top" bows out there because of my job and I will say that I am REALLY impressed with the ACTION of the equalizer cam 8). The bow has a draw cycle like no other......it feels sorta like a re curve but it does not stack weight like one, and it is a smooth continuous motion throughout the draw cycle with a SMOOTH short valley at the end. Plus the speeds are insane....28" 60lb 373gr arrow @ 300fps.......28"'s....sweet :DHats off to BowTech in "05 I think this might silent the ney sayers :shock: :if they open there CLOSED minds and actually shoot it before they start spewing half thought THEORES on why it will not work, cam lean etc. It made me think a little. Like someone else stated earlier in this thread......"hats off to BowTech for thing outside the box" :)

[3-D Mountaineer]

Just got an old glory from Jamie at Bowtech, first thought the cam drew harsh then smooth to wall. The bow had no letoff, pulling 65lbs holding 26lbs no valley. So I called Jamie he had me put 3 twists in the top wheel take out 3 twists on the bottom cam. What a difference, 65lbs holding 14lbs. Now that a person can shoot, no recoil at all the smoothest bow I have ever released an arrow out of. The draw is smooth let down smooth, I cannot believe no bow company has thought of this before now.