Hoyt VS Mathews (for the 8000th time)

[shooter07]

i am thinking about getting a new bow but being a bit smaller that a shrimp and would lose to one in an arm wrestling match :roll: speed is a big issue... my draw is like 26/27" and right now i am drawing 45lb and i NEED speed my bow right now shoots like 225 in a 280 game even if you are a pro that dog just dont hunt... i have narrowed it (i think) to two bows any advice would be greatly appreciated... by the way if you have not figured it out this bow would be for 3-D....

the two bows are the Hoyt UtraElite (XT 2000 and spirals) VS Conquest 3 (minimax)

thanks,
brian

[SageCreek]

I had the cam and 1/2 on my ultratec, not the spirals, but my conquest II was more accurate and faster than my ultratec for me. The spirals should make up for that some, but the 3000 limbs will take some of that back.

Two sweet bows, I guess you should shoot both and see which one fits you better.

[3D dad]

shooter, you must not believe me when i tell you you need a hoyt!! :D at your draw length i doubt you will find the speed you are looking in a conquest. i'll let you see what you think of vic's bow sunday at hubert's and i'll bring an order sheet so you can get whatever hoyt you decide to get. (just remind me or i will forget to let you shoot it like i did this past sunday, had 3 hrs. drive on my mind. :? ) let me know what time you're gonna get there and we can shoot together.

[SageCreek]

Hey George, glad you made it over here.

[3D dad]

i have finally crawled out from that rock i was hiding under. it's called work and i'm finally seeing some light. i go away for a little while and all heck breaks loose!! seems i'm the only one left shooting hoyt in this neck of the woods.

[SageCreek]

So why are you trying to suck a brother down into the quagmire with you? :D

j/k

With you shooting them, they don't need anyone else. :wink:

[3D dad]

With you shooting them, they don't need anyone else.


you obviously haven't seen me shoot!! :D (this is where my wife sticks an elbow in my side and says to say thank you.)

i have shot w/ brian on a few occasions. he is trying hard to get his game under control. my wife shoots an ultratec at 26.5 draw/48#(would fit him nice except for the color) anyway, she is coming in at 277 fps. and he is coming in at 225 fps out of an lx(???) wouldn't take me long to do the math. and that is w/ the cam-1/2, not spirals. i keep asking him if he wants to shoot it. kinda like neo and morpheus(the matrix) doesn't know which pill he wants. :D

[SageCreek]

Man, the LX is a smoking bow. I couldn't get mine under 260 to shoot Union Grove to save my life. Is he shooting logs out of it our something? :shock: It was apples to apples with my UT.

[3D dad]

he is shooting slightly (50 gr.) heavier than her, but it shouldn't make that big of a difference. i was thinking it was coming from the short draw and a single cam, dunno???

[shooter07]

I have got a legacy right now and with my yardage skills (right up there with nonexistant) i need something about the size of a log :lol: my arrow is 278 grains....

I should be able to get some more speed out of it because i just found out that my top wheel is leaning (wont be for long) but still my bow has always been slower than an 80 year old grandma crossing the street :shock:

I have tried to resist the conversion to "The Dark Side" :D but i figure if i try one of them things with to many cams i will them just have another reason to joke on the dark side :lol:

[BugZ]

I have a Protec with cam/5 and at a 26 inch true draw shooting 65 lbs with a 28 inch 360 gr. arrow I clocked it at 268 fps. So if this helps I know the ultras are a Little faster but not sure how much. Another note on speed it is better to slow down and hit where you aim than to miss in a hurry.

[3D dad]

Another note on speed it is better to slow down and hit where you aim than to miss in a hurry.


yeah, but in the world of unmarked yardage, every little bit helps. if nothing else but the mental edge that you are on even ground w/ everyone else.

[3D dad]

I have tried to resist the conversion to "The Dark Side" but i figure if i try one of them things with to many cams i will them just have another reason to joke on the dark side


2 cams and 4 limbs to be exact, but who's counting!! :D

[shooter07]

I have tried to resist the conversion to "The Dark Side" but i figure if i try one of them things with to many cams i will them just have another reason to joke on the dark side


2 cams and 4 limbs to be exact, but who's counting!! :D

lol.... when did the hoyt shooters learn to count? :shock: :D jk

I know for sure that us mathews shooters can count becuase we had to somehow be able to count "every major turnament victory" as that mathews ad said :D :lol:

[BugZ]

lol.... when did the hoyt shooters learn to count? :shock: :D jk

I know for sure that us mathews shooters can count becuase we had to somehow be able to count "every major turnament victory" as that mathews ad said :D :lol:[/quote]

Hoyt shooter don't have to count. They just ask what the perfect score is and post that for they don't miss. :lol:

[BugZ]

Another note on speed it is better to slow down and hit where you aim than to miss in a hurry.


yeah, but in the world of unmarked yardage, every little bit helps. if nothing else but the mental edge that you are on even ground w/ everyone else.

Shooting my slow bow with fingers I can place in the top 5 of unlimited shooters at our local tourney. BTW they are unmarked yardages but for the long distance targets with a 10 ring of an elk you can be close to 5 yards + or - and still hit it. On a rockchuck at 15 yards if you can't hit the 10 on a Vegas target your out. In my shooting my low scores come from small 10 rings within 20 yards. Think about the targets you are shooting and where you miss the 10.

[BugZ]

I have tried to resist the conversion to "The Dark Side" :D but i figure if i try one of them things with to many cams i will them just have another reason to joke on the dark side :lol:

It's not the DARK SIDE its called enlightenment. :lol:

[ochoytman]

hey george, you're not the only one thats still a member of the Apple dumpling gang. All of the GR shooters are shooting Hoyts. I'm shooting 27" @ 58lbs with ultra tec 3000 and fat boys that weigh 325 and its about 284fps. With spirals and a lighter arrow, probably gold tip pros, the 2000 limbs should be real close to a killer setup and a lot faster than 225fps. Mines southpaw or I would turn it down and let him shooter07 try it.

[skippy1]

Brian
Stevie is getting the ultraelite with the cam and 1/2 this year to.Last year he was shooting the ultratec at 240fps, now we got his speed with no problem to 282fps at 60lbs with a 344 grain arrow, if you use the spiral cams with your draw and maybe a goldtip 22 series arrow you will increase your speed alot.My wife has the ultratec with the versa cam with a 27 inch draw her arrow is 265 grains at 46 lbs and her speed is about fps260 spiral cams are alot faster.

[Straightline]

Ultra Elite with 2000 limbs and Spiral Cams gets my vote! (I’ve got one ordered)

I’m in the same boat 26-1/2” draw. (Vertically challenged)

Last year I shot the ’04 SuperTec with great success! I decided to try something different this year so I’ve got my Ultra Elite already on order.

My Super shot 292
58 pounds
26-1/2” draw length
300 grain 500 Fatboys

I’m hoping to get mid 80’s out of the elite, I don’t think its going to be a problem.

[ldfalks]

You forgot to include "other"... :shock:

[Fletch Helical]

You forgot to include "other"... :shock:

I'd have to vote "other" as well.... I'd look at something that starts with BOW and ends with TECH :wink: :D .

If I HAD to chose one of those two though, I would pick the Hoyt.
Just out of curiouisity what about considering the Turbo tec if you want speed? Is it just the remarkably ugly riser :D ? Keep in mind with a short DL axle to axle and brace height rules don't apply as much to a short draw archer as opposed to a longer draw. Neither does the AMO "standard" of 6gr/lb. or 5 gr./lb rule. You can get away with more with a shorter BH and ATA bow than someone who has a 29-30" DL.

[BugZ]

I have to agree that with shorter draws it opens up more options. I am a finger shooter comfortably shooting the protec with the 2000 limbs. No pinch and great accuracy.

[shooter07]

ATTN - All mathews shooters......

It is time to bring out the violens....

I have been converted (not offically) to the dark side.....

In the next couple months (or whenever a big lul in comp so i can get used to it)

I will be shooting a UltraElite 2000 limbs and spirals....

It is a sad day now i have to eat all that crap i have been shovleing those hoyt shooters.....

thanks to all that have helped...
Brian

[ldfalks]

You forgot to include "other"... :shock:

I'd have to vote "other" as well.... I'd look at something that starts with BOW and ends with TECH *:wink: *:D .

If I HAD *to chose one of those two though, I would pick the Hoyt.
Just out of curiouisity what about considering the Turbo tec if you want speed? Is it just the remarkably ugly riser *:D ? Keep in mind with a short DL axle to axle and brace height rules don't apply as much to a short draw archer as opposed to a longer draw. Neither does the AMO "standard" of 6gr/lb. or 5 gr./lb rule. You can get away with more with a shorter BH and ATA bow than someone who has a 29-30" DL.


Or maybe something that starts with McPher and ends with son...that Edge Bow is a real nice piece of equipment. Only 2fps slower than my Pro40 Dually and real forgiving. :)